I spoke with Dio Casares (@diogenes) of @patagon about why Anthropic and OpenAI voided secondary shares before their IPOs — and why, structurally, pre-IPO perps sidestep almost all of those problems. It’s an inside look at why pre-IPO perps avoid the legal hot potato aspect of pre-IPO trading activity. 🎧 Timestamps: 🚀 00:45 Why are we seeing so much pre-IPO activity bubble up right now 🗂️ 02:45 The types of market activity that are happening pre-IPO and why they’re happening 💙 6:04 Coinbase: Get 20% off the first year of your Coinbase One annual plan at ⛓️ 07:52 The kinds of problems that buyers and sellers of pre-IPO shares are trying to solve by going onchain ⚖️ 11:15 How unicorns have wanted to be private but have their shares 📊 13:19 Why people aren’t just waiting till pre-IPO share perps go live to get exposure 🃏 15:30 The problems can arise in second- and third-layer SPV situations 🏦 18:19 Where the Robinhood tokenized-share model fits in all this 🏛️ 19:59 Where the FTX bankruptcy Anthropic block falls 🗺️ 21:55 The spectrum of players — from offchain to onchain, from shadier to more legitimate 🤺 24:30 Why more of this activity is happening on Solana than Ethereum 🤝 25:23 What Patagon does in the secondaries market 🔭 29:27 How Dio expects the onchain private market space to evolve